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Tuesday, August 31, 2010

That damned Kid

What's Mallard raving about today?

Muslim Community Center.

A Lie and a Straw Man. Kids can pray all they want in school.

The school cannot mandate that all kids pray to the same God, which is not at all the same thing.

Similarly, the government cannot deny one religion the right to build a place of worship.

But hey, who cares about the Constitution, right, Mallard?


Tyler McDowell said...

I think that "We've got freedom of religion in this nation" is the only part of this strip that's actually truthful. Unfortunately, it's also the only part Bruce Tinsley doesn't believe.

Iron Dragon said...

Ugh, a student is free to pray privately, there have been no cases of students getting in trouble for personally praying. The problem is if a teacher tries leading a prayer or something similar then it becomes a question of coercion and captive audience.

Tog said...

A kid can pray in school. He cannot disrupt class to make a public display of his prayer. He cannot disrupt class to proselytize.

I'm confident Batshit understands this, yet still persists in his gross lies to perpetuate hate.

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners that they may be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him."
--Matthew 6:5-8

Frank Stone said...

And the gullible, bigoted, hopelessly stupid, willfully ignorant half-wits who comprise Brucie's fan base honk and chortle and clap, because they think he's speaking truth to power.

They are to be pitied.

Tog said...

Off-topic, aside from religious zealotry:

I thought I'd share this* (though I'm sure most of you have already seen/heard about it) because it made me laugh and cry at the same time.

*Media Matters link

Kip W said...

Mosque Month, Day 2: Tinsley reaps the rewards of despising all teachers.

"Don't know much about history
Don't remember sociology,
Don't remember that civics class
Don't know hole in ground from hole in ass..."

exanonymous said...

So, Mallard Fillmore is in favor of the Ground Zero Mosque since he is also in favor of school prayer? Because it doesn't help to make a straw man hypocrite if you're just going to turn around and be one yourself. If he is, maybe he should just come out and say it, unless he's afraid to alienate his readers.

But that's MF in a nutshell.

dlauthor said...

Do you see? Do you SEE? It's the darkies and the people who like darkies who are the real anti-religionists, people! Never trust things that are dark! Except rum! And whiskey! And the inside of my colon, where I keep my head!

wavydavy said...

OK, Tinkley, let's review:

1. It's not a "mosque". It's a community center with a prayer room (which has been in use for quite some time already). It will be roughly the equivalent to a YMCA when constructed.

2. It's not "at Ground Zero". It's two blocks away (which in lower Manhattan is, in terms of psychology, roughly equivalent to two miles in East Bumfuck, IN or wherever you live).

3. It's not "sacred ground". It's the site of the old Burlington Coat Factory building.

4. You cannot even see the site from Ground Zero (or vice versa).

5. In roughly the same proximity are two tittie bars, a Burger King, and FSM only knows how many street vendors selling knockoffs and WTC "souvenirs" (among other things).

6. The Constitution (you should try reading it sometime) SPECIFICALLY prohibits the government from doing ANYTHING regarding the establishment (or prohibition) of ANY religion.*

7. The NYTimes first reported on this in December 2009, at which point nobody cared. Even wingnuts said (those who had an opinion) that it didn't mean much.

8. As pointed out by other commenters, nobody is prohibited from praying in school (or anywhere else, for that matter). What IS prohibited is for the GOVERNMENT to be involved in the process, either by mandating OR prohibiting prayer.

*Bonus points for stupidity to soon-to-be-ex-governor David Patterson and soon-to-be-embarrassed at the polls candidate Carl Paladino** for suggesting that the solution is for NY State to get involved in the process. Apparently, they know as much about the First Amendment as Tinkley does (i.e., nothing).

**Double bonus stupidity points to Paladino for suggesting that the "sacred ground" area is defined by wherever the dust from the WTC collapse fell (no, really -- that's what he said).

Hard to believe someone could pack this much stupidity into that small a comic, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised, given that it's MF we're talking about.

Anonymous said...

We knew this was coming, and it's the usual hodge-podge of half-truths and nonsense. The Gingerich/Palin brand of Muslim bashing is yet another reason why I'm glad I've given up on the GOP.
But Obama and especially Reid haven't exactly been courageous in refuting the crap, have they? As usual, Ron Paul is the voice of decency on this.

deepbeep said...

Check out the look on Mallard's face: I think Noseworthy is poking him with his aroused crotch.

Frank Stone said...

Something else just occurred to me: What would Brucie's attitude be if that "trouble-making kid trying to pray in a public school" was a Muslim? After all, he makes no specific reference to Christianity here. (Or does he simply feel it's unnecessary, since it's generally taken for granted that "prayer in school" is understood to mean Christian prayer?)

Anonymous said...

This is the problem with "political discussion" in America. One side has reasoned arguments and thoughtful positions, the other has lies, strawmen, innuendo, jingoism.

It's almost as though the Right had only one real issue (say, reducing taxes for the rich) and wanted to confuse people into voting for them...

Tinsley: Sociopath said...

Congratulations, Tinsley: you, somehow, made this comic more offensive than I exxpected.

Tinsley, raising the school prayers, you revealed your hypocrisy, and all the potential precedents that this sets. You fear the very thing that you support. I would ask you to consider the simple irony, but that would require an I.Q. above 5.

Word Verification: Unattray, attray is a state where everyone who is not homogenous does not die a slow, painful death, and Tinsley wants the world to be unattray.

Kaitlyn said...

Frank Stone - you make a good point.

And when will Christians with a persecution complex fucking stop with the "kids can't pray in school" shit?

My sister said that once when she was in middle school (I think) and I corrected her and she never said it again.

My sister, who treasures her ignorance about the world around her, can grasp this simple concept.

And why does Mallard hate America and capitalism so much? It's private property, FFS.

And it's a place I'd love to visit after seeing Ground Zero - because I'm 99% sure they'll have a room on the ground floor for non-Muslim visitors dedicated to that and what Islam really is about, what most Muslims do. (Like... use the computer in the school library and work with other students on group projects. Very sinister. Two scary Muslimahs I saw today were doing just that.)

No one objects to churches in Atlanta or Oklahoma City, do they?

WV: Chaff, as in the useless stuff you separate from the wheat. Very fitting.

My dad thinks I should learn about religions other than Islam. (Like Christianity... especially Catholicism! Yes, he's Catholic.) I say as long as this ignorance continues, it should be my priority to learn as much as possible, to read Muslim blogs. (And not just the ones dedicated to fashion.) To educate myself.

If this was 100 years ago and Antisemitism was on the rise (publicly at least, instead of just in the background), I'd damn sure be educating myself about Judaism and Jews. I mean, I live in a small Tennessee town, and 100 years ago, it would be even harder to find information to refute bigots.

exanonymous said...

There were Muslims in my neighborhood. It was horrible, they were smart like that Rush kid in the comic supposedly is, their parents were hardworking at middle-class jobs, like Rush's parents supposedly do, they were well-behaved, pacifists, and followed their religion. The girls all donned the head scarf, but it never bothered anyone, and the guys were very respectful and nice towards girls and boys alike.

Upon meeting them, if it wasn't for the attire and darker skin, any neocon would swear they were a devote humble Christian family.

That in the end is what I think scares people more than terrorists. Terrorists don't need a mosque, or community center. But nice normal devoted families do. And that gives what the conservatives swore was the enemy a face that can't be hit without looking like jerks, so they attempt to keep them at arm's length by for example, arson.